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NorCalSales
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Re: Electricity Supplies tight in Calimestan    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-19-2018 17:52
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Not true, I buy my power "Elsewhere" aka not PG&E just fine.
owequitit
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Re: Electricity Supplies tight in Calimestan    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-20-2018 00:00
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TonyEX wrote:
owequitit wrote:
CarPhreakD wrote:
So... is Texas' enormous and cheap wind power capacity due to good ol' Texans picking themselves up by their own bootstraps, or are those bootstraps federally subsidized?

Bullwinkle wrote:
CarPhreakD wrote:
Regardless, solar is temporarily dead in the United States.


What makes you say that?

The sooner coal is eliminated, the better for everyone. Natural gas will have staying power due to the need for quick adjusting 'peak' power generation above the base load.



I totally agree. As would anyone who has ever lived in the immediate vicinity of a giant coal plant.



Tariffs. Granted, some companies are trying to maneuver a bit around it by buying up US companies, but they assemble cells in the States, not manufacture them (so still subject to tariffs). It's just kind of funny because most of the cells are manufactured in Malaysia, not China. Maybe Tony's soviet republic of California, having passed a new mandate for homes after 2020 to include panels, will increase sales.

That being said, because of the tariffs I would expect utilities to push more towards other tech like wind, since the installation cost vs. panel cost skews greatly towards panel costs in utilities.



I don't see Texas getting any special federal subsidies vs anyone else. I think it just comes down to allowing competition.

In Dallas, I had a choice of at least 3-4 power companies vs 1 everywhere else I have lived. As a result, kWH were cheaper.

I will have to go see if I can find what I was paying in TX, but someone here said $.06 per kWH. I just looked at Nevada and it is $.11 per kWH. I believe I was paying around $.11-.12 kWH in AZ when I left about 5 years ago.



After the Enron fiasco, the Calimexistan apparatchiks signed laws that make our large electrical utilizes monopolies... we no longer have the option of buying our electricity elsewhere.

That, plus the high regulation, is why our prices are so high, the quality of our service so poor and process so ossified and expensive.

If you want to fuck up something, let the government regulate it via its crony capitalism.




Which is funny because Enron was a case of fraud not reflective of deregulation.

I don't think Enron's total impact was any bigger than the scandals Citizens' Utilities had over the decades (each one resulting in a subsequent name change), not to mention the overall cost of everyone paying 60-100% more for their juice 24/7, 365.

TonyEX
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Re: Electricity Supplies tight in Calimestan    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-21-2018 21:23
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NorCalSales wrote:
Not true, I buy my power "Elsewhere" aka not PG&E just fine.


Really, how?

I see no options whatsoever from SoCal Edison.

If you opt for a CCA in Northern California you area still buying it from a Public Entity. There is NO competition.. you either buy it expensive or buy it even more expensive for "Green Power".

Meanwhile in NV and AZ power is cheap!

TonyEX
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Re: Electricity Supplies tight in Calimestan    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-22-2018 12:52
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Bullwinkle wrote:
TonyEX wrote:
Bullwinkle wrote:
TonyEX wrote:
Think about it... Oil and Natural Gas are plentiful and cheap.

Yet, the jerks who run my State are no better than the Power Company managers in Guatemala or the Philippines.. Our supply of electricity is declining in absolute terms... yet it's worse when you take into account that the new sources are solar and not reliable nor online when most needed.


First, Oil is not nearly as cheap as it was. Current spot price as I write this is $71.06 per barrel.

That said, what is happening all over the US and Canada (I a not an expert on California) is that Coal plants are being decommissioned early and are being replaced with a combination of Natural Gas (which is cheap and relatively clean) combined with wind and solar.

The reason this is happening is that Wind & Solar are getting cheaper and cheaper. Wind in particular is getting more efficient and less expensive per kilowatt hour to produce with second-gen equipment.

Natural Gas is used as a supplement in such scenarios.

It's business. It's not political.

Now, is your power grid provider crying "wolf!"? Maybe.

But it appears from reading the article that the reason for the power shortage is because of possible decreased power from Hydro because of lack of snow.



No.... lack of maintenance! The snow pack has been, and it is, more than sufficient.

But, what is the current level at Lake Oroville... pretty low huh? On account of the construction and other concerns that were NOT addressed in years past.

The good news is that the Trump administration intends to raise Shasta Dam over the objection of the Green Fascists in San Francislovich. According to Trump "it's a FEDERAL dam"...

That will be very good for the State!


Also, the State of California, specifically from Kern County down south to the LA Basin and off the coast, is loaded with oil derricks. It extends out to Santa Maria and Santa Barbara as well. Heck, go drive on the 60 and you see oil being pumped!

No, what's happening here is not due to lack of fuels and money, it's all because of socialist dogma.



I can't speak to the socialist dogma involved in the dam. I've only read a little about it. I can't imagine that they are going to raise the height of it anytime soon.

As to the oil, no one is building oil-fired power plants these days. During 2016 (the last year for which numbers are available), less than 1% of the electricity produced in the US came from oil or distillates of oil. Most of that came from plants built prior to 1980. It's just too expensive.

It's not dogma. It's economics.



(1) The plans to raise Shasta Dam are at least 30 years old. The engineering is done. It has been blocked by environmentalist groups in San Francisco.

(2) We got lots of Natural Gas in California too. Where's there's petroleum, there's natural gas.

TonyEX
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Re: Electricity Supplies tight in Calimestan    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-23-2018 16:20
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owequitit wrote:
JeffX wrote:
longhorn wrote:
owequitit wrote:
CarPhreakD wrote:
So... is Texas' enormous and cheap wind power capacity due to good ol' Texans picking themselves up by their own bootstraps, or are those bootstraps federally subsidized?

Bullwinkle wrote:
CarPhreakD wrote:
Regardless, solar is temporarily dead in the United States.


What makes you say that?

The sooner coal is eliminated, the better for everyone. Natural gas will have staying power due to the need for quick adjusting 'peak' power generation above the base load.



I totally agree. As would anyone who has ever lived in the immediate vicinity of a giant coal plant.



Tariffs. Granted, some companies are trying to maneuver a bit around it by buying up US companies, but they assemble cells in the States, not manufacture them (so still subject to tariffs). It's just kind of funny because most of the cells are manufactured in Malaysia, not China. Maybe Tony's soviet republic of California, having passed a new mandate for homes after 2020 to include panels, will increase sales.

That being said, because of the tariffs I would expect utilities to push more towards other tech like wind, since the installation cost vs. panel cost skews greatly towards panel costs in utilities.



I don't see Texas getting any special federal subsidies vs anyone else. I think it just comes down to allowing competition.

In Dallas, I had a choice of at least 3-4 power companies vs 1 everywhere else I have lived. As a result, kWH were cheaper.

I will have to go see if I can find what I was paying in TX, but someone here said $.06 per kWH. I just looked at Nevada and it is $.11 per kWH. I believe I was paying around $.11-.12 kWH in AZ when I left about 5 years ago.



I am paying .06-.08 depending on time of day in Texas. Of course one needs to pick the right plan.



https://www.choosetexaspower.org/?s_clid=77234f1375f77ec05aa4d30c50c192ea&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIwZv8z-uM2wIVkYRpCh0PWwrZEAAYAyAAEgLPSPD_BwE



that's not bad, but what's the base monthly fee?

Here in Georgia we have to pay something like $20.00/month and then $0.08/kWh.



I had a company named Green Mountain Energy, and I don't remember an absurd base fee (which my NV plan also has, as did my AZ plan).

In fact, even in a not-very-well-insulated apartment in winter and summer with electric heat and A/C, I don't remember ever paying more than $100 a month.




0.08 per KwH....

My last bill was around 700 KwH and it cost about $180. (Stayed within the first two tiers in our allocation... which btw takes into account how many people live in the house and the size of the house). Total cost, with all the garbage fees, is about 25 cents per KwH.

Jeez in GA and TX I could afford to run my AC whenever it got to 74F.. .and keep the house at 72F all year long! Likely AZ and NV too.

We also have to pay a "generation" fee, a "distribution" fee, a ton of other fees for whatever else they figured out... I'm surprised they are not charging us an outright "carbon" and "climate change" fees ( I'm sure that's built into the other junk fees).

And with that cost, they still don't generate enough!

Electricity in Calimexistan is yet another Socialist Boondoggle.

Time to dust my Allman Brothers and Little Feat LPs and move to Georgia. Play some Willy Nelson while we drive East on the 40. How good is the 22? I really don't wanna drive the 10 so close to Mexico.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTz8g8yh8GY

All of our utilities are based on tiered allocations now. There's a "basic" tier -if you want to use one light bulb and shower once a week-, a "conservation", an excessive ($$$$$) and an abusive ($$$$$$$$$$$). Seriously, they ought to connect our utilities with the NSA and they could adjust our baseline usage automatically, then use the IRS to transfer the payments. (**)

BTW, our water bill... oh yikes... it's so bad that when I have people visiting for Christmas I call the water district to get a greater allocation. The last time this happened, and I forgot to call, my bill was over 120 bucks. And, last month, a SoCal Edison planned maintenance electric outage wiped out part of the front sprinkler controller program. So it ran every morning, instead of just three times a day (*) for a couple of weeks, so the bill went into the excessive and it ran about 80 bucks.

(*) That, btw, is a luxury. Irvine does have good water planning. If you go to Newport of Tustin you can't water "that often".

(**) God Damn Calimexistan's Big Brother.







superchg2
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Re: Electricity Supplies tight in Calimestan    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-23-2018 17:49
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And they say that Time loves a Hero!
TonyEX
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Re: Electricity Supplies tight in Calimestan    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-23-2018 18:40
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superchg2 wrote:
And they say that Time loves a Hero!


That's actually a dark song. I was more thinking of their fun ones. IF I lived in Georgia, I'd put a Son of the South sticker in the Ridgeline. But more likely, it'd be Alabama... that's where Honda is. Kind of hot and humid down there. After all, The Black Mamba is a Daughter of the Confederacy... born in Alabama!

(Sweet Home Alabama?)

https://www.hondaalabama.com/

Or

Well I'm Southbound, Lord I'm comin' home to you
Well I'm Southbound, baby, Lord I'm comin' home to you


Note: My tube preamp is back at CJ for some work and upgrade to the teflon caps (SE upgrade).... Hope to get it soon, and then it takes 400 hours to break in! In the meantime I'm dealing with a Grado phono preamp and DIY First Watt B1 buffer. It sounds fine, but different...


My favorite


I've seen the bright lights of Memphis
And the Commodore Hotel
And underneath a street lamp, I met a southern belle
Oh she took me to the river, where she cast her spell
And in that southern moonlight, she sang this song so well


And

Oh Atlanta, oh Atlanta!
I said yeah! yeah! yeah! Atlanta, got to get back to you


SoCal songs are so different, and even then so...

(Besides... Nobody walks in LA)

Some rich man came and raped the land, nobody caught 'em,
Put up a bunch of ugly boxes and, Jesus, people bought 'em
And they called it paradise, the place to be,
They watched the hazy sun sinking in the sea
...
And you can see them there on Sunday morning
Stand up and sing about what it's like up there
They called it paradise, I don't know why
You call some place paradise, kiss it goodbye


plus

Once was a magical place
Over time it was lost
Price increased the cost
Now the fortune of the kingdom
Is locked up in its dungeon vaults


And the way it's going (Note, Honda de Mexico is based in Guadalajara, wife's been there... good food she says, she learned to like Negra Modelo)

Ay, Jalisco no te rajes,
me sale del alma
gritar con calor.
Abrir todo el pecho,
pa echar este grito:
¡Qué lindo es Jalisco,
palabra de honoooooooor!


That, BTW, is a damn fine song. Sometimes when I cook, I sing along but change the words on the fly. They call it "Dad's Rap" and it's a lot more fun... no hoes, no drugs...

Somos los tres caballeros de Guadalajara.....

https://www.honda.mx/




TonyEX
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Re: Electricity Supplies tight in Calimestan    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-30-2018 15:39
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I just looked at my May bill.

We have a "hair shirt living in a cave with candles" allowance of ~200KwH. And a conservation allowance of ~800 KwH.

That means that for the first ~1000 KwH we are in the conservation level. We used about 700 KwH. The total bill is about $180 bucks. Last month was cool, so the AC and fans were not used. Most of our lights are LEDs.

Here's the kicker... we get charged "generation" and "distribution" fees for each KwH.

Our average cost for 700 KwH ( 200 KwH of "low usage" and 500 KwH of conservation) was... 28 cents for KwH.

If you go above the Conservation, the cost skyrockets to 37 cents per KwH.

This is how fucked up this State is. No wonder companies move out of State.


JeffX
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Re: Electricity Supplies tight in Calimestan    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-30-2018 15:45
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TonyEX wrote:
I just looked at my May bill.

We have a "hair shirt living in a cave with candles" allowance of ~200KwH. And a conservation allowance of ~800 KwH.

That means that for the first ~1000 KwH we are in the conservation level. We used about 700 KwH. The total bill is about $180 bucks. Last month was cool, so the AC and fans were not used. Most of our lights are LEDs.

Here's the kicker... we get charged "generation" and "distribution" fees for each KwH.

Our average cost for 700 KwH ( 200 KwH of "low usage" and 500 KwH of conservation) was... 28 cents for KwH.

If you go above the Conservation, the cost skyrockets to 37 cents per KwH.

This is how fucked up this State is. No wonder companies move out of State.




There's no room in Georgia, Tony. Sorry! All sold out. Please check in 5 years.

superchg2
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Re: Electricity Supplies tight in Calimestan    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-30-2018 15:48
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TonyEX wrote:
I just looked at my May bill.

We have a "hair shirt living in a cave with candles" allowance of ~200KwH. And a conservation allowance of ~800 KwH.

That means that for the first ~1000 KwH we are in the conservation level. We used about 700 KwH. The total bill is about $180 bucks. Last month was cool, so the AC and fans were not used. Most of our lights are LEDs.

Here's the kicker... we get charged "generation" and "distribution" fees for each KwH.

Our average cost for 700 KwH ( 200 KwH of "low usage" and 500 KwH of conservation) was... 28 cents for KwH.

If you go above the Conservation, the cost skyrockets to 37 cents per KwH.

This is how fucked up this State is. No wonder companies move out of State.



My Sister's company is definitely not moving out of Los Angeles,
but then again she's an Entertainment Lawyer.

CarPhreakD
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Re: Electricity Supplies tight in Calimestan    (Score: 1, Normal) 05-30-2018 16:19
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JeffX wrote:
TonyEX wrote:
I just looked at my May bill.

We have a "hair shirt living in a cave with candles" allowance of ~200KwH. And a conservation allowance of ~800 KwH.

That means that for the first ~1000 KwH we are in the conservation level. We used about 700 KwH. The total bill is about $180 bucks. Last month was cool, so the AC and fans were not used. Most of our lights are LEDs.

Here's the kicker... we get charged "generation" and "distribution" fees for each KwH.

Our average cost for 700 KwH ( 200 KwH of "low usage" and 500 KwH of conservation) was... 28 cents for KwH.

If you go above the Conservation, the cost skyrockets to 37 cents per KwH.

This is how fucked up this State is. No wonder companies move out of State.




There's no room in Georgia, Tony. Sorry! All sold out. Please check in 5 years.



Ohio is still an option.


 
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